but the rising is scorpio. Lilith in 12th House, Black Moon Lilith In Twelfth House; 1 Angel Number, 1 Angel Number Twin Flame. So beautifully written Dawn. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. Weve known each other for a decade??? The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? Could I ask Your opinion? I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. WhiteLotus. Black Moon Lilith in 12th house suggests an interest in the occult and esoteric teachings. Is there nothing better to hope for? Thanks so much Dawn. Or ? You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. Good luck. And what does it mean our 12th. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. Your article is amazing! The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. It is SO powerful! The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) Lilith square . You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. We have had such a difficult relationship. This will tell you the energy sounding the ending. What do You think about Davison Chart? 08.05.20. Lilith in the 12th House. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. For whatever reason, you may have a secret relationship . Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? Its more complex than just the composite positions. Thank you for your reply Dawn . cheers:). Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. venus+mars, etc. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. You will both be changed deeply by it. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. Its not special, its common. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. That may mean leaving you behind. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Overall, this is considered a favorable Lilith placement, as it is . With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. We all find our gods where we can and must. In astrology, the Twelfth House governs the unconscious, addiction, jails, higher self, and psychic abilities. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. Thank you for your insight. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. I use both in my practice. We are still friends and well always love each other. (like your name too. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. Dont worry, Evelyne. And I learned a lot too. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! Natal Birth Chart Meaning. Because of the sensitivity of house cusps, I recommend using the Koch house system . Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. Composite Sun in 1 st House. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? It's a nightmare sometimes. I have met my match. The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! any input would be greatly appreciated!!! Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. In the second house of values, beware . PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Am i trapping my self? You can use this to your . Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. Lilith may help 12th house to bring their subconscious patterns to light, or do the opposite and evoke more fear. Thank you for this series of articles! HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door.