My experience has always been with bullseye powder. I do this for my .357s but this article is about .38 Special loads. In fact, Hornady's handloading manual includes .357-inch bullets in the load data for the .38 Super, specifically 125-grain and 140-grain XTP bullets, along with .355-inch bullets, and their one remaining .356-inch bullet, the 125-grain HAP. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. I wish Id had a commercial version of this load in my ammo allocation when we were tasked with getting classes of students up to special operations standards with the issue custom 1911s. Too early Are you sure? Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. The stuff you learn shooting 20,000 reloads (on top of thousands of rounds of factory ammo) can be pretty interesting and I feel that Ive got a very good picture of what the .38 Special. On my J frame S&W without the CT #305 Laser Grips, I swapped out to a Hoque set. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved ! You have never indicated what barrel length or brand or frame size you may be using these in. Re: 38 special loads by GrumpyOldMan 11/10/2013, 4:23 pm IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. Allgoodhits Posts : 726 Join date : 2017-09-17 Location : Northern Virginia Like Also compared a S&W 638 to the S&W 36. I wanted a good carry gun that was light and reliable, so I decided that the .38 would fit and I just went with it. 9.) The Speers do occasionally and the Magnus a little more. hebyta I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. When I say that theres rarely a wrong way to do it, I really mean it. He loves this gun and keeps it in reach 24/7. 10 for a full cylinder. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. The same volume of BE will weigh much more than than same volume of WST. Haven't tried it in the Colt Officer's Model Match yet. 750-850fps. Caveat: I have decided that I want to be prepared for threat scenarios that include stopping a terrorist or spree-killer (the odds of which I fully recognize is statistically zero). This load chugs downrange at 750 feet each second and functions standard recoil springs with no issue. I shoot a Glock 21, and had a great time shooting some poly coated 230 grain round noses today. 10,870. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but its better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. When you say "not working" can you be more specific? Unlike many other guns Ive owned and carried, this little snubby really cant be modified much beyond factory configuration. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Really important to have a chrono if you're going to work up loads When I first bought my chrono, I was amazed at how HOT my loads were - unnecessarily. Ask your Dealer, or call Hodgdon), has a Cowboy Load section, (near the center fold), that lists data for about all SASS calibers. Last I looked still available at Brownells. What overal length of the cartridge? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Magtech Sport Shooting, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Full Metal Jacket, Flat, 50 Round Box 38Q for 38 special This pistol uses the .38 Special with a Remington wadcutter bullet seated flush with the case mouth. 32 H&R Mag 21,000 The plated bullets feed nicely through my bullet feeder. Stylish But Serious: Kimber Super Carry Pro, Survival Savvy: Gearing Up for the Next Level, Force Multiplier: Knife and Gun Integration. And for 99% of the actual real world needs of a citizen for self defense it will work just fine. Powder coating. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. Beginners to shooting can use a full size revolver or their carry gun with light to mild loads to become confident and familiar with marksmanship and trigger control. was a breeze. Power Pistol won't work for me. This load tends to clock about 670 feet-per-second (fps) give or take 20, depending on the exact brand of wadcutter and the revolver its fired in. Ive probably picked up 300 cases of .38 the past few months and will continue to grab them as I see them, but whats nice is I can shoot more and put that money towards brass for .32 or .45 Colt, stuff that I never see at the range. I'd imagine I'm not the first person to use this load, but I have found it is a very sooty/smokey load. Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. I can usually keep 1.5" groups with it at 25 yards if I do my part. Load it like Trail Boss. September 2015 S.W.A.T. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. Easiest way is casting lines and a sprue mark on nose or base. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. 9 and others like 2400 that are generally used for magnums). That blunt-ended bullet cut a clean hole all the way through whatever its modest velocity allowed it to penetrate. Ethan Johns is a military professional with worldwide experience in specialized units. Ideal load in a 2 J Frame .38. Also internet references 2009, Copyright. I load a hard cast 125gn for my 38 special all the time. YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. My use of the term adequate means that Hodgdon has produced a workable result for the .38 Special, .38 Special +P, and .357 Magnum that may be used for 125 grain weight bullets having velocity limitations. In a nutshell & I mean very short version. SASS# 85224. Thank you for the article. So, I'm guessing the pressure curve isn't as severe as some of the faster burners. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. As anyone learns quickly, first thing that needs to be done is to replace the small factory S&W grips (I use Hogue) so you can hold onto the gun. Handload: 158 grain round nose lead /3.8 grains Bullseye MV 775 fps ME 210 ft./lbs. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! She ran two cylinders of 100 grain wad cutters and gave it back to me. The 919 case is tapered and therefore wider at the base than the .38 special is. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion. My other son fired one shot and handed it back. The least is usually supplied as a large cylindrical billet weighing several hundred pounds. ,I looked at Speer data, nothing there. Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. I just dont like practicing with it. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! . But one classic target load is not far behind the .38 wadcutter in its own reputation with target shooters: a 200-grain semiwadcutter bottling up 4.6 grains of Bullseye. I went from 2.7to 4.0 gr and nothing to speak of. How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? 4.4 gr. ( customer reviews) $ 10.69 - $ 246.00. Ive been shooting them for 50 years. Eventually somebody introduced me to tungsten carbide resizing dies, after which case life became near indefinite. The proof pressure MAP specified by SAAMI is 29,500 psi for both rounds. Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air. .38 brass isnt as common as 9, .40, or .45 brass at the range, but of all the revolver brass you can find its the most plentiful. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. These are light and easy to shoot. On 7/4/2018 at 11:57 AM, Bill Sahlberg said: There is nothing more accurate at PPC than 148 gr8 HBWC (lead) using 2.8 gr of 231 and a tight crimp with Starline 38 Special brass & a Federal Small pistol primer. There is a difference in the manufacturing process of swaged bullets. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. My sq. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. If you havent taken a look at what the .38 Special offers, youre selling yourself short. They all shot horrible at 25 yards. If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. Choosing a bullet The cold header swages a bullet in one or two strokes. I recently picked up a 396 Nightguard and am a convert to the 44 Special! A chameleon depending on your loads and the barrel length or action its fired from. 2.) We've got some great loads for 158 coated and plated semi wadcutters, and we're trying something new. I agree, an airweight has snappy recoil. I have loaded wadcutters for plinking , Double end 148 grain,, mixed brass over 2.7 gn WST or Bullseye. Now theres an old memory. They are low because of swaged bullets. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. But its also worth considering that its pushing the same size and weight projectile at the same velocity as the standard Army revolver load during the Civil War. [.38 Special] is a very versatile and useful round. . 38 Special +P 18,500 Smith & Wesson Model 27 .357 Magnum (because no 6-inch Smith & Wesson .38 Special revolver was on hand). Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. What I have found most remarkable is how well some pistols that typically fling wide groups have clustered the semiwadcutters. I use CCI Snake shot for two and Buffalo Bore short Barrel 130 gr. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. S&W M637-2 2" barrel That revolver is aluminum and cannot handle the pressure of 9MM. The Lyman is handy for sizing or priming while youre watching a movie. A significant difference in speeds is usually noted. The load is a great learning tool in .45 for beginner and experienced alike. I really enjoy Trail Boss and use it extensively for plain lead and plated bullets. I here from quite a few that 3.5 gr of bullseye is a good load for 158 gr lead Bullets for bullseye shooting. This too is useful information. The 38 Special Ball round was designed a long time ago to comply with specifications laid down for ammo that was : 1) Compliant with the Hague Accords of 1907 in regard to "unnecessarily" injurious ammunition. Most notably the lighter weight bullets. I never really set my sights, in a manner of speaking, on the .38 cartridge like I did other rounds. My hand ached for a week. I have a few 30-30 cases modified to shoot singles with a very light load. Ive played with several that I like, but the classic in 9mm is 4.4 grains driving a 115-grain jacketed bullet. Easy to reload and it started my reloading experience.

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