These include some of my favorites, such as the .358 Winchester and .45-70. He, too, could have been one of the greats. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. Most rifle elk hunting is not like bowhunting during the bugling season. The main problem with such potent cartridges is that they kick hard in rifles light enough to carry all day in steep places. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. cases. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. Of course, it took the .338 Winchester Magnum many years to catch on, and it took the .243/6mm cartridges over a half century after the introduction of the 6mm Lee Navy cartridge to gain popular acceptance, so perhaps there is still hope for the .35's. Here in North America, you could take the .350 Rigby anywhere youd take the .35 Whelen or .358 Norma Magnum, and that includes north to Alaska for the great bears. I have one, and I like it a lot. No, its not exactly easy on the shoulder, but its not terrible either. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. of muzzle energy. With such a wide range of both cast and jacketed bullets available, and todays variety in powders, the .358 Norma has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to load possibilities. Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. Of the three, only the .358 Norma has not become a standard chambering. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. Why cant we love the .35? and the .32 Win. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. That does not mean that any gunsmith who had his own ideas about velocity and accuracy might not include it or go completely the other way. and the 6.5 mm Rem. 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I could get brass easy from each by forming parent cases, 308 and 30-06. I would also expect it to handle anything in North America from deer to the big bears. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. Why the .35 Rem. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. An earlier Western Cartridge load delivered 2,660 fps, which I suspect is closer to the truth. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. It is, as you say, a thumper. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. With the 250-grain bullet, it's better than the .30-06 on heavy game at close ranges. The fortunate few who own them want to keep them, and these are the core admirers who make it worth Normas while to continue offering brass and loaded ammunition. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. offered the performance level of the .358 Win. Then come the .270s. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. Looks like I'll do a Whelen. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. .50 Beowulf. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. from the 24" barrel of a Marlin 336XLR rifle. In more recent times, the 1994 release of the .450 Rigby gave dangerous game hunters a bit more bullet weight than the .416 Rigby and has developed a small but devout following among both professional hunters and their clients alike. Don't like Rugers much had my fill of them and now they are gone down the road. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. 358 Norma runs 250gr partitions at 2810 with Norma 204 powder. In an age of ultra-specializatio in every field, and especially rifles, such versatility is almost an anachronism. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. Particularly when you consider that every one of those newer short magnum cartridges burns more powder to achieve less killing power than the .350 Rem. They can take their time and pick their shots. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." [/quote]. of muzzle energy. This is comparable killing power to the long .375 H&H Magnum with a 300 grain bullet (ME 4331 ft. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. This is a particularly apt comparison because the re-introduced .350 is available in the Remington Model Seven rifle, which is also offered in .300 short magnum calibers. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. All Rights Reserved. Mag. and a 250-grain Partition load with a muzzle velocity of 2550 f.p.s. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. of muzzle energy. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. [quote=encorerbHmmm, makes me wonder. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. .358 Norma brass is a snap to make from 338 Win Mag brass. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. I have a .356 Win. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. I'm sending my 270 tikka off to JES rebore to get it punched out to 35 whelen. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Mark Bansner is making one for me: synthetic stock on a left-hand Sako action. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. We've got you covered. .22 LR7mm-08 Remington8mm Remington Magnum.338 Federal.224 Valkyrie.338-06 A-Square9.3x62mm Mauser.257 Weatherby Magnum.45-70 Government.300 H&H Magnum.25-06 Remington.30-06 Springfield6.5 Creedmoor.300 Remington Ultra Magnum7mm Remington Magnum.470 Nitro Express.280 Remington.300 Winchester Magnum.270 Winchester.222 Remington.45 ACP.404 Jeffery.44 Remington Magnum.41 Remington Magnum.243 Winchester.338 Winchester Magnum.357 S&W Magnum6.5-284 Norma8x57 Mauser.38 Smith & Wesson Special7x57mm Mauser9 mm Luger.35 Whelen.454 Casull.375 H&H Magnum.45 Colt.22-250 Remington10mm Auto.308 Winchester. Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. would follow that tradition. The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. Many western hunters annually take elk with 6mms and .25s. Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. Here are the features to watch out for. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. I'd go with the 35 whelen. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. So, if you have an interest in carrying an ultra-rare cartridge of impeccable pedigree, you either roll your own or have someone load it for you. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. However, the small bore cartridges from .24 to .32 caliber have proven quite reliable on these smaller animals, so I am not going to argue that anyone needs a .35 to hunt CXP2 class game. 9.3x62 boots 320gr Woodleigh protected points and weldcore round noses out at 2400 fps with RL-17. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. Mag. Being able to take off the scope and work with iron sights, using cast bullets or light jacketed bullets, adds an entirely new dimension to the rifle. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. The cartridge is closely related to the .308 Norma Magnum. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. Winchester introduced its initial trio of belted magnums in the mid-1950sthe .458 Winchester Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum and .264 Winchester Magnumand all were designed for the long-action receiver, using a case length equal or similar to the .30-06 Springfield. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. So it is fair to say that, over the years, .35 caliber rifles at least have caught the interest of the gun and ammo manufacturers, if not the general shooting public. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. Mag. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. It was introduced in the bolt-action Model 70 in which it was trustworthy, but boring. The .35 Rem. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum. Campfire 'Bwana. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. Thanks for any thoughts. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. Any desire to hunt African dangerous game with your medium bore? Not so the .358 Norma. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. Im voting no. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. I believe it never will. As it was released in the first century of the 20th century, when the common boundaries of cartridge usage were being defined, the .350 Rigby Magnum was considered an all-around cartridge, especially in the more open terrain of British and German East Africa, known today as Kenya and Tanzania. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. it is one nice gun and made for tight places. compare 338/06 vs 338 win, and 35 whelen vs 358 norma vs 358 alaskan (stw) loaded to same pressure. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. On a 600 pound animal like a big bull elk the optimum game range of the .308 (180 grain bullet at a MV of 2610 fps) is a useful 175 yards. Mag. The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. Out of stock View Details . The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. Food for thought, is it not? There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. The .358 Win. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. If you match the bullet to the game, this is one of the all-time great hunting cartridges. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. it is complicated further by a requirement for different burning rate powders. If you handload your ammunition, it will make feeding a .358 Norma that much easier, just realize you wont find ammunition at a general store, or even at most gun shops, for that matter. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. You can start with the 6.5mms. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward.

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