The new EP8 motor is specced on the Heckler, and the MX wheel size option features Reserve carbon wheels front and back. Set as my REI. Oh man, so that must mean you know of rigs they've received that they've not done first rides and then field tests on. Riders will feel a smoother cut off as they reach the maximum assist speed and then benefit from lighter pedaling without assistance. Basically any minor impact that causes the chain to bounce and tug at the chainring will result in noise. An E-bike with 200 watt power assist, 350 WH battery, and total weight of bike under 34 lbs. As they say, power is nothing without control. Wed much rather see battery life displayed as a percentage, and the option to customise the screen. Unfortunately this clutch also produces a metallic clack whenever it rotates back and fourth. - Available on a wide-range of different e-MTBs, - Clacking noise can be annoying Sell it to me, bet ya cant specially at a respectable 90 keys. However, you do pay for all that refinement and integration. Seems quite useful for when pushing the bike up these impossible climbs. This is a Class 1 e-bike motor with a maximum assist level of 20 MPH. HOME Shimano's EP8 motor will be specced on a range of top brands 2021 eMTB's including the majority of Merida's ebike range which benefits from the extra performance of the EP8. At the same time, riders will notice an increase in range simply because the new assist algorithm doesnt waste energy when it isnt needed. I've had a go on ebikes and think they're fantastic and good fun. The lighter weight is a big plus as well. Shimano couples this introduction with an updated E-TUBE PROJECT system. The EP8 system is compatible with Shimano's bigger 630Wh batteries. This means its impossible to tell whether you have 21% or 49% battery remaining. However, you do pay for all that refinement and integration. Three battery options including 900Wh Wheel size: 29" only Travel: 160mm front, 150mm rear 64-degree head angle 78-degree effective seat angle 462mm chainstay Weight: 25.6 kg. The Brose Mag S motor has been used in the Specialized Levo and Kenevo since 2018, though it was recently updated for the release of the new Levo. quieter(+) smaller(+) lighter(+) more power(-) battery range(=). My local rides average 30-35km with just under 1km of climb. As much as I want an emtb right now, I am waiting until the technology is perfected. It's like a dirt bike with a 15 mile range. All I could find is that bike manufacturers are to hold off selling the EP8 until Oct/Nov while they addresses some final issues. For 2021, Merida has added the EP8 a larger 630Wh Shimano battery and improved the wire and cable routing to make it a little neater. View your system settings, assist levels and ride metrics via a 1.6 (inch) color LCD screen for easy on-trail reference. But would the noise stop us from recommending an EP8-equipped bike? "but since I have to hit the small button repeatedly when my battery charge becomes critical on some rides". Shimano battery issues with EP8 motor. I have a gen 3 and it's totally quiet when coasting . Fitness hasn't a big effect because of all the muscle weight to motor has to carry but doesn't assist pedalling. The EP8 (EP800) drive unit delivers smooth, direct power to ensure youre always in complete control while experiencing a natural ride feeling. Its almost as if the battery drains faster in that final 20%. With the new EP8, Shimano managed to close the gap to its biggest competitors. Across our range of E-MTBs, you'll find both 504 Wh and 630 Wh internal battery options with some models in our Torque:ON range including a dual battery option for long-lasting adventures that extend into and beyond golden hour. 720 WH - 77,7 km 1.681 m elev. I have this motor. Generally on bikes we spend so little time braking that regeneration would be a waste of effort. It also benefits from a RockShox ZEB Select RC fork paired with a RockShox Super Deluxe Select R shock. You can't imagine what kind of thought must have gone behind that response? I have no personal experience riding with pedal assist but when I hear the high whiz from the motor I think that would drive me mad too. MANUALS & TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS But to give you some numbers, weve consistently achieved around 1,500m of climbing during our 30-50km test rides. COMPONENT Why so delicate, bro? This means that if you ride in the default Trail and Boost settings, youll actually end up with a similar total range as the old E8000 motor, albeit with the benefit of more power and assistance throughout the ride. A bit like chain slap when you don't apply force on the pedals. This adjustment has the biggest impact on the motors performance and your total range. You can't call an e-bike rider lazy when they try to overtake you making this sound. I'm sure a dynamo can be integrated somehow with the hub rotations without causing a lot of drag. Santa Cruz's 2021 Bullit electric mountain bike is built around 170mm of VPP rear wheel travel and Shimano's EP-8 electric motor with an in-built 630Wh battery. I find the author of this article is overly picky. That just isn't real world riding though, you just don't spend all your time in boost mode. I found this beauty as an example: The reviewer weighs 55kgs. Truly unfortunate you lost it. That rattle would drive me bonkers. Shimano Steps E8036 E-Bike Battery Brand: Shimano Type: E-Bike Battery Model: Steps E8036 Frame . Stab happy!". My brain constantly struggles with whether 2 bars remaining means I have 21% or 59%I would prefer a continuous power bar or percent. Designed specifically for SHIMANO's STEPS system, the BT-E8036 battery integrates smoothly into the down tube and features 630 Wh capacity. This is because the assistance drops off quite quickly when you stop pedalling, particularly compared to the Bosch motor, which continues to push on for just a fraction longer. The 2021 Canyon Spectral:ON gets Shimano's smaller, lighter, smarter, and more powerful EP8 motor, and a larger 630Wh battery for increased range. ECO mode has also gotten much more economical thanks to the new algorithm as well. Perfect? You miss that obscure offering from Specialized? Now, would we like to see Shimano eliminate the noise altogether? . You also need a special key to release the battery from the frame, which were not fans of, at least for a mountain bike anyway. Did some rides on a scott e-genius 920(2020) and my biggest one I did was a 115 km with 2000 meters of ascent ,19 km average speed,all in the eco mode and riding some rocky terrain with some tarmac ,fire roads ,very mixed terrain ,and I did got impressed with the power and the range ,didnt got me so tired on the legs its most a cardio ,but dont put more power on them and no more battery capacity,cause it wil make them almost a dirt bike :-((. And with brands such as Merida and Canyon making use of internal wiring through the handlebars, the whole arrangement is quite tidy. And we certainly wouldnt be upset if Shimano could quieten down the clacking noise. Can we get reviews this in depth for regular bikes? Visit the high-res gallery for more images from this review. That would be awesome to do laps on. NEWS While some frames will resonate more than others, the noise is otherwise normal, and it doesnt take long before your brain subconsciously ignores it. The EP8 drive unit (DU-EP800) benefits the overall bicycle design and ride feel through a more natural and refined power delivery thanks to the lighter, quieter, more compact and powerful motor with increased range. In comparison, you can get a Polygon Mt Bromo N8 with a Shimano EP8 motor for $7,899 AUD. I have never posted a comment here on pinkbike, however this article in particular is hitting a nerve. For riders scoping out bigger rides than that, youll want to consider dialling down the Assistance Character to improve efficiency. Rob has ridden the bike, so make You must log in or register to reply here. That is, spme pretension or a clutch like system. The biggest change has been with Trail mode, which now gives you access to the full 85Nm of torque if youre pedalling hard enough. Component categories and series of GRAVEL, Component categories and series of LIFESTYLE, Component categories and series of E-BIKE, Your smartphone to cycling computer on the bike, SHIMANO bicycle ride data collection/analysis service, SHIMANO AGAINST THE TAMPERING WITH E-BIKES, California Transparency in Supply Chain Act. You can hear it in the workshop just by lifting the rear wheel and dropping it on the ground, where it sounds a bit like a loose pebble bouncing around inside a wooden box. So, when the sensor senses a negative elevation gain, the dynamo kicks in to recharge the battery. I chose this bike because it has the EP8 and from research, seems to be the most reliable platform out there, assuming it's as reliable as the E8000. The Purion controller is vastly simpler and easy to read, but it looks cheap and its bulky, making it an awkward fit with brake and dropper levers. So that would include rocks, hops, trackstands but also sudden boosts from a standstill. In addition to those weve tested, youll be able to find Shimano EP8 on the Santa Cruz Bullit & Heckler, Marin Alpine Trail E2, the Commencal Meta Power, YT Decoy,Pivot Shuttle and Mondraker Dusk. It is MUCH less powerful, but there is no rattle, no weird cut off, no jerky pedal action. Same with brose 2.1 & their motor failures. Then we'll fix that for you. Posted Oct 21, 2020. If you got it set to Eco and the motor is using half its power, you might get at least 4 hours if it sucks up only about 125W per hour. IMO Shimano bikes are good,but they are 2 steps down compared to Specialized and Bosch. While the motor is both more sensitive and more powerful though, Shimano has done brilliantly to offer usable control of that power. Aside from the sound of the clutch, everything else in the "CONS" list can be fixed with software updates. SHIMANO STEPS E8000 Chainring (Chain Line 50 mm) VIEW PRODUCT. However, we couldnt get the display to pair with our Wahoo ELMNT Roam head unit. The updated E-TUBE RIDE app can be used by e-bike riders to monitor all their key riding information in their smart phone as a real-time display. 2. INFORMATION Its the Orbea Rise that achieves the most discreet integration however, with a frame that was purpose-built around the smaller EP8 motor, rather than having been retrofitted from a previous E8000 drive unit. Have had my Norco Range LVT with the EP8 for a week and have noticed the noise, maybe once? The new magnesium drive unit casing design delivers a 300g weight loss in a 10-percent smaller form factor. More power, less weight, even more efficient and the biggest battery Shimano offer. I'm honestly flabbergasted that people complain about it tbh lol. This gives a very wide and flexible power band that does well to match what your legs are doing, making this the go-to, set-and-forget mode for proper off-roading. Our batteries are designed to keep you out on the trails and riding further. Pickup is faster too, with less hesitation between pedalling and torque being delivered to the rear tyre. And in terms of backup service and support, the fact that there are far more Shimano dealers than there are Specialized dealers may also be preferable for some riders. I have tested a few ones and to me best one is Specialized in terms of ridding feeling and refinement. Your country not there? Then theres the BT-8035-L battery, which is a 504Wh battery that shares the same physical dimensions as the 630Wh version. The Kiox head unit has a nice colour screen with plenty of useful data on it, but were not sold on the magnetic attachment and the fact that the motor wont turn on without the head unit. However, where the Bosch Gen 4 feels like a diesel engine at low RPMs, the sporty EP8 drive unit still prefers spinning at a higher cadence. If you're heading northwest on I-66 W , keep left at the fork to stay on I-66 W. Take exit 66A to merge onto VA-7 E/Leesburg Pike toward Falls Church. If thats the case for you, start at Level 5 and work your way down a notch at a time. Also a big improvement over the prior motor is that the EP8 freewheels easily, so on flats or downhill you can blast away without motor resistance. Specializeds Mission Control app continues to be the market leader in terms of connectivity, tuning options and user-friendliness. Though the new EP8 motor is claimed to be more efficient than its predecessor, there is of course more power too. Still, that clutch design means it is impressively drag-free beyond the cutoff point. I get under 3 hours in eco, so I guess it's taking up more than 150 W per hour on average. . While I am at the age/account to have one, I couldn't imagine riding longer than my 630W battery lasted, i don't think i would be able to walk for a week. The Levo SL? So when the new version is so much better Refinement is all relative. Anyone having problems with the charger? So far so good. The fact that the EP8 motor uses the same mounting points as the old E8000 motor means there are a few bikes out there that were anticipating will be updated with the new motor like the Norco Sight VLT and Range VLT. Great for climbing, on the descents the weight changes how I ride, not better or worse. We like to setup Profile 1 with softer settings for maximum range when riding solo, and Profile 2 with the punchier factory settings for faster e-MTB group rides. Theres still a whirring noise from the metallic gears inside, and the pitch increases slightly at higher cadences. Once paired, find the Customise menu and select Assist. The downside for Bosch is that its display options leave a lot to be desired. I'm 56 with a long term knee injury. With the introduction of the new Shimano EP8 platform, the bar has been raised again with significant gains in the areas that matter to e-mountain bikers the most: Leading power-to-weight ratio, with 21-percent more torque (85 Nm) available in both TRAIL and BOOST modes in a smaller and lighter package featuring a magnesium drive unit case Breakthrough assist algorithm that delivers the right power at the right time, organically matching the riders efforts allowing them to tackle the toughest terrain with full support while also extending range Designed with customization in mind allowing riders to personalize the character of their bike in new ways.