The product team is reviewing your comments and this is something we will definitely work on. One of the biggest problems in this country is that the games and film studios are becoming a bit of a joke and not getting the funding they used to have. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. bye for now and be well Will and Mr Data :) :]. Hi there, just want to ask about the artstation store, do they have a condition of not selling on other store? The designers make a deal with each other and negotiate a percentage on the sales. How about all products here have no restriction Google search.etc. It is the best RR in the world ! They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. Don't know how many even bother to ask, and on Ts no one can ask anything. This would be a really good way of encouraging buyers to come spend their money on CGtrader where they can find what they want faster than on other sites. In my understanding, for CG models, there are three main trends : large public with various expectations and low budget (roughly, poser people) ; professionals needing a good quality model quick and ready to pay for that (roughly, TS buyers), programmers wanting to create video games in search of game ready assets. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. Why should the artist suffer? I think CGT should begin doing the same and promoting people for being exclusive to CGT after all that will help buyer confidence when they realize how many of their best artists are switching sides! The first thing you see is almost only 3D printing assets. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. That is true, but im talking if buyer is already familiar with existence of CGTrader, he can reap all the benefits then. It is currently selling on the of TS is much higher than on CGT. Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. Nice try. You are just providing a platform." The classic idea of exclusivity, division and concealment as a strategy to get to a monopolistic position is bad for the industry and everyone is coming to the realization how bad it rely is. This is my principle decision . or do you prefer to do business with companies you trust and feel comfortable working with while knowing you are supporting a #FairBusiness model that in the future will revert in your own direct benefit? A shitstorm war is going on between the "Wisdom" brothers & their Top $ Corporate Investors against Marius' CGtrader, who is leading the inclusive people that don't dance to the song of dangling shiny coins in front of their eyes just for the time being and the now. Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. The title says it all!1. https://vimeo.com/739678 3. And good thing that you decided to tell about - such things should go public and be discussed. Some may post their old stuff they just don't want to ask money for, consequentially it is also not representative of the work they currently do. [quote]2. In fact, any properly textured model over 5000 polys for less than 15 bucks is NOT okay, and does NOT look professional at all. CGtrader has been growing steadily faster than Turbosquid for several years, that's why they are making this desperate "first blood" move asking their Investors for an extra cash to buy Sellers out against Marius and his people, with the promise that they will fuck you to death later once the war is won for the #SquidClan. CGtrader is everything Ts is not, CGtader is fair, its open and communicative in all directions, its an inexpensive service, its new and more efficient, has lots of exiting tools, have more sales and get to keep bigger part, its growing fast, its updating and improving fast, etc, etc,. Part of it is because they don't want to get scammed. This conversation has me glued to my monitor, all very well spoken and nailed down to the core. Full collections of objects for 12 bucks is NOT okay. You can enter multiple email addresses separated by commas, Thank you for shopping at TurboSquid. I tried to edit the obj for him and renounced because of the bad quality, especially, UVs and material names that were impossible to edit, such as mat000_0571 and other flaws ; he also bought a model of a bad quality from TS but was offered a refund immediately even on a sunday ; he posted his experience on our forum ; needless to say that others members of this community won't consider, now, CGTrader as a top quality website), same with people starting everyday a new irrelevant thread on the forums just to take advantage of the reputation system, which was a good idea, but which was hijacked by some unscrupulous sellers. Let's give some time to time. You are right IterateCGI it would be terrible for the photo realistic 3D models however if you think about it not that many 3D artists create things in that style and in some cases are capable of doing that especially some of the newbies. He earns trust in this way and we know everything stands or falls with the coming and going of trust. Turbosquid is butt ugly and greedy, I hope when CG gets bigger than TS, they don't end up the same way. Delhi Escort What I eventually hope to have is a healthy fair open market place, where collaboration , communication, people empowerment and evolution prevails over control systems, central power structures, monopolistic thinking, and maintaining of a status qou. On TS depends on the country you come for, you get around 30% of your earnings (this is how much you get on your account, I know it is stated 60% but they take additional 30% for US tax), here I am not shore how much you get as I just joined and did not made any sales. They call that "3D Industry" on the download report .. it's rare but it's happend (one time for me) All that time that we didn't have to spent dealing with Turbosquid bad support went to more time for artistic work. I wanted to test if clients compare sites (eventually wanted to avoid clients would use the expensive Ts platform to get my items). Uploading new product is so much more intuitive and easier than TS. Needed something better and found it at CGt. Dear Kanga you are absolutely right and on top of that you won't have to worry about their super buggy uploading system either. Selling 3D models on Ebay or Amazon would probably generate problems? Having a direct link/communication is also critical in detecting possible needs and potential new business. The paypal commission is paid 2 times - 1 when the model is bought, 2 times - when money is paid to the seller. This is why I would opt for a system which includes human sorting out capabilities. - Forcing people to choose a proper tagging to their objects so that we don't get scanned high poly print-ready objects in the way when we tick the "low-poly" filter, I don't think it's possible to have WORKING site with both 3d printing and classic models. Apart from this it would be nice to have a system that promotes collaborative action to make the products themselves better. I think there needs to be a more valued motivation ($) in order to get people rank in great numbers consistently. Is it fair if I do? I think posting links to showcase your model in an animation or to show how a rig works is extremely advantageous. I do not know if community-policing has helped other sites keep their products better organized. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. Think about the kind of treatment you can expect from these soulless corporate hacks once they can play their monopoly game again. Being between a rock (TS) and a hard place (CT) is a damn round the clock aggravation. Site itself must have significant changes to make it more attractive and more convenient to buyers, especially big buyers. When you just start out you have to price your models at 1 dollar or give them away for free but the second you start selling well they take your models offline and force you to raise your prices Once you raise your prices nobody buys and you are back to square 1. Yes CGtrader is great! There is a lamp that looks pretty cool (Gervasoni Bolla Floor light), and is supposedly free. This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. I started uploading some of my items to cg trader to see if it generated any income but as I have 70+ items and 0 sales I have decided to stop. Been over 17 years with TS. Just uploading on turbosquid is a pain in the butt. Free3d.com7. Dear adentonclark, So if you think about that when we try selling just 3D models we are actually loosing a great deal of the market. Gumroad is an awesome virtual marketplace where artists can create their own store and sell any type of digital asset, from textures to tutorial series. They have a CheckMate program which gives you a higher percentage back from selling your model. But we forgot about the buyers. No overt similarites in armor designs, guns, vehicles, naming- nothing. Alhamdulillah, we finished making the car! I would expect those kinds of charges from a real art gallery with real world space that could sell my work for 10,000 a pop, not some virtual space that sells my work for 50 bucks. the only advantages in cgtrader are the big rates for clients. 3D Model jimmy choo. Although in the beginning that meant the loss of a big part of income (being Turbosquid the biggest 3D content reseller), after just a few adjustment months from that specific point our sales in ALL the other marketplaces started to grow up to a point where we don't miss any income from the missing Turbosquid sales anymore, while 90% of "customer problems" suddenly disappeared. Because of its design and trade/royalty system, CGTrader seems better and more advantageous, but at the end of the day, I get much more income from Turbosquid and The3Dstudio. Looks to me like they are providing a very content creator friendly environment. - Limiting free objects to, let's say licensed objects like Stars Wars or Lego or whatever in an unlimited number, but to a few when it comes to "showcase" objects, let's say, 4 to 5 per designer, to help potential buyer judge the overall quality of the seller objects Batman (Rig) for Maya 10. . This is a totally separate "operation" that is going on under the acquisitions of CGstudio and T3DFM, which serve also as noisy cover to "wag the dog". You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. If you look around on the net on all the various forums everyone always mentions Turbosquid be it positively or negatively. I don't know how reputation points work for sellers, they may work fine if you're an actual modeler, but for end-users it's just a dead-end. Say you happen to be a great render and lighting specialist but not so well a modeler, you see this nice models that have potential but the presentation is very bad (from good modeler with no render skills). CGTrader is extremely accessible, perhaps too much so for its own good in some lights. It might be a good idea to see what the customer experience is with various market places by making an experimental purchase at each and seeing who has the most effective methods of enticing return visits and encouraging word-of-mouth bumps. Then came price guarantee on Ts and now I had a problem, the part I was now successfully serving on CGt I would not want to risk losing back to Ts, nor would I want to lose those few that kept buying my higher priced models there. Downside at CGTrader is as i've just been informed from Support is NO you can't sell the licence here and transfer it into another users name. According to me ,in the future, more a 3DMarketplace will be open more it will take to success. and we lived the evolution of Turbosquid from being a pioneer of the 3D assets market working alongside the real content developers to become a typical corporation with financial backing from angel investors that only cares about financial results and is trying to strive the 3D market towards a monopoly where they can control both the producers and the customers, where acting as just a middleman gets Turbosquid the most profit from both. Plus, if you express constructive ideas on the forums, you know you'll get listened to. Maybe they should just smack up one big "We're cheaper than TurboSquid" banner and push it into Google Ads? Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. You just have to check the Sellers forum at Turbosquid to see plenty of complaints about all sorts of abusive policies. They bring answers to your problems or requests quite fast and in a very convivial way. TurboSquid Member Services, I'm a first time seller (+-2 Months). However, the behavior of these clients kept me thinking and I had some dilemmas about what was actually going on here. Money in short term does not always pay of in long run. Old thread but still relevant, do yourself a favour and cut back on the seafood, delete TS bookmarks and make progress here. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. No, I don't think it's just about SEO. :). The rewords for selling objects from others could for example be 1 CGcredit for tier 1, 2 for tier2, 3 for tier3, 4 for tier4 and so on. In this case a collaborative action could be established to make the product more attractive. Better for who? It is pretty difficult to find what you want but if you are only looking for free models then CGTrader's search engine is far better than Turbosquid. This is a bit OT, but although I obviously ain't a squidguild member, I always try to design objects that are "checkmate" compliant to be sure that my models are OK, and I also beta test the .OBJ version in a lot of other applications that LW to be sure that they upload without hassle) CGtrader.com3. @IterateCGI These are great ideas and in fact we are currently working on one campaign that will involve the community to help market CGTrader better. The same goes for student projects. Matt Wisdom describes Turbosquid as "a sort of Ebay" when in fact Turbosquid works exactly the same as classic "supermarket providers" where the reseller profits the most from the producers by keeping them totally apart from the customers. I started uploading on a few sites and TS was one of them and I can tell you now that that place is a mess. Blendswap.com5. I'm just dreading that sober moment when TS offers to buy CGT to kill off the competition. In this case the fastest support can not help. My personal experience, having had a short stint as a 3d print seller on Turbosquid, is that they paint with way too broad a brush when it comes to potential IP infringement. Answer: IN my opinion Turbosquid is a great site for selling models. The "crap models", "under-priced models" issue is a very sensitive topic that should be discussed. [google][http://www.google.com|google4 ] Any more than 500,000 polygons in one scene and that will make opening and closing it a really long process not to mention that if you trying to animate something in the scene you may have to keep hiding things in various layers or create the animation in a separate one. https://www.fiverr.com/pixel512/create-a-3d-model-shipping-container So it is, but it's a matter of time and CGTrader will be able to master these positions. Your account is not in CGtrader and I can't see your models, and judging by the link in your comment you are just a spammer. They then review the model and contact seller to fix it. Agree with every word above. They're doing competitions, and that attracts artists, at least. TurboSquid goes down, It becomes miserable the users are ,,working from behind,, ! In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. i think they both have there place . This market is changing rapidly and Ts is not adapting to the evolution of connectedness within the global CG community. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. So even if TS takes 60%, I still make better profit there because here I get 94% of nothing. They customize those figures anyway you want. I removed all products from TS. Ts just took royalty's from other items I've sold to get the money back. B: CGTrader needs to do SOMETHING about all the damn undercutters. I think this game can only be won by the best community building force and that is CGt. On other hand I could also think its just some clients that do not care about the price difference, they just prefer using the Ts account. They should make more effort to advertise. They did so by making products that looked so much cooler than PCs and people were fooled and then eventually they made so much money that then they kept putting back into the product and eventually came out with the Ipad which even all Apple haters love. Here it is quite seamless and elegant. In fact my sells on TS are actually going down while they go up on CGt. I didn't checked it for a while (around a year) but comparatively Cgtrader has a much more streamlined upload system compared to Turbosquid's. - Are you interested in just some quick cash grabs and extras here and there while you can, or would you like to be able to contribute to a fair market where you can make a living out of your passion? Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. We are looking for contributors. Of course, as CGT reputation grows, this may change in the future (CGTrader has already beaten The3Dstudio in terms of statistics, but you also have to take into account that there are certainly a very significant amount of people coming here for 3D-printing only, which decreases the statistics in terms of regular CG models). The stores/collections idea sounds good but maybe a simpler voting system for any product/seller will give an easy ranking system to take in count for search results among other factors. The staff on CG Trader seem to be very active and listen to ideas from the community, so I will try to find time and post some ideas on how the problem could be solved. stores with its own labels for 3D printing, 3D stock, crowdfunding, game models maybe even concept designs, sound files, storytellers, code for making apps, 3D scripts, etc) Each of this stores would then again have subcategories (e.g. That takes longer time. my main income its still TS. The utopian view here is a successful merge of all related activities (or at least part), connecting as much people as possibly can that are doing something that could potentially involve 3D, and in doing so eventually streamline part of the global 3D marketplace and increase the amount of successful transactions between many possible parties. Payment Method its hard to run such a business so i hope cgtrader will survive in the future. They say you can price things anyway you want but then they take down your models if they do not agree with how you price them. Thanks for dropping by and great news about an eventual homepage re-design. You must create a huge hype and create things that are unique and that connect with people. According to TS "Marmoset Toolbag's watermark" is an overlay and a no no. TS removes this rating. Sometimes 3D model can have some errors, or it was not 100% what buyer had imagined it will be. I have noticed that a lot of artists are moving to Asia to find jobs where they are far better respected and paid what they are worth. I will leave the items here to see if cg trader does manage to change things around over the next 12 months and if not will simply sell them on turbosquid. This would have probably be true for newcomers 5 years ago, but now that is different. If you have any questions about these. It needs to be obvious where to go if you want one or the other. As long as CGtrader and Marius keep leading the inclusive marketplaces with respect for the Artists and their own branding, we at NoneCG will continue to support CGtrader and Marius indefinitely, no extra shiny coins needed for us. Turbosquid has a horrendous up-loader For example, I ran into this this morning. I think arguments of differences in search are irrelevant when someone is looking for the same model to compare prices between the two biggest players. Just my opinion, but look at homepage. I left all but . I still get more sales on TS, despite having adjusted all prices to compensate their extortions. Prices do not include additional fees, such as shipping . If you are a buyer you don't have a lot of time to find what you want especially if you are buying on behalf of your company. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. Guys really have the potential to screw greedy monopoly and earn some decent position on the market. just share your links (: I like both but prefer cgtrader all day. Turbosquid has a bot spying cgtrader prices. @skifx, apparently your feeding hand is just too small. Cubebrush. adentonclark is 100 percent correct in this regard! In other words as an artist in TS you are not so well protected, as it's here at CGT. That is very strong argument in favor of CGT, but then again, don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all? Fine details have been sculpted on the model down to pores and fine lines on the face and body. If I run the same test on Turbosquid or The3DStudio, I get almost exclusively original characters. royalty scale you work up on is all very cool the fact you can print here sell files here and stream files all on one listing CG TRADER FOR THE WIN!!! @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! The advance search option should obviously only be available for paid models so to avoid people only free loading and just finding all the free models. So true! there is low quality traffic on cgtrader and also became too much focused on 3d printing models so gets affordable if u have many low quality printable models of cheap prices. Adult Female Jessy Rigged 3D Model 9. Its great way to compete and fair . But now, I'm exploring a new platform which is Sketchfab. i like the points system on cg trader . There is plenty of "undercutters" everywhere and some short-sighted content developers that seem to only care about quick cash-grabs and most of the time doesn't even have enough data to state a valid opinion based on the contrast of facts over medium-long periods of time. Yes, at this point the level of sales of the TS is higher than the CGTrader and TS has a more flexible search system. But this is perhaps the only plus turbosquid. I've often (not just at this site) downloaded "free" items to verify their quality before purchasing models from a vendorI had problems with 3-4 of the "free" items I looked at first here (having no idea there was a limit), and now I can download no more. I think the TS percentage is pretty much an outrage considering the low price of the products being sold. These people quote Sun Tzu when you talk to them, so guess their future plans for you. The conclusion seems, that clients are either more familiar with Tsquid, or that TSquid offers something else that is so valuable that even a much lower price doesn't matter. And for good sales you don't need to be there neither because its just your own clients you swing to them. So if I am looking after regular CG models, afters a few minutes search, my logical choice is not to search on CGTrader but rather on "old-fashioned" sites. We want to improve the site not make it worse :). Most people say you get more sales at Turbosquid than any other 3D marketplace, so even if you get a much lower royalty % in the end you get more money, and while this is true up to a point (NOT x80 sales in any case), what most people don't realize is what happens IF your products are NOT in Turbosquid but you continue to sell in other marketplaces and have a bit of patience. That definitely wasn't me hoe said that turbo. Every market needs time, every business needs it. Basically just like Turbosquid has done they have become the one stop shop for everything. Also don't forget that people sell their photos and posters too. I'm suggesting a collective of store owners. It's like if shapeways.com will start selling classic "cg" models. I also think, as iterateCGI, the market control based on exclusivity will soon disappear. Machines have already replaced people making their jobs irrelevant in many fields already more and more customer service jobs have become automated, many store sales positions now are not needed because so much is being done online, the tolls on the highways now only use fast track or you get a letter in the mail telling you to pay it because there is no one in the booth anymore so you can't pay it on the road. You know what is cgtrader but as firstcomer you must have strong impression that this is 3d printing site where you can buy new 3d printed iphone case which will be shipped to you. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment However, fear of losing sales kept me both on Ts and CGt for long time (not liked it). CGtrader is just better in all possible ways. I tested the CGTrader rigged character morphs for Daz3D studio from your commission and it works like a charm! Maybe some people don't want to bother about different programs compatibility, while others don't mind to spent time configuring things in different applications. NoneCG will be up for it. What, iterateCGI goos down? I was stunned to get informed there was no fraud protection (yes people, you pay 60% cut and get no fraud protection). I will very much want to peruse. The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. Is the same for me as everyone else. . I hope to find same courage someday ;-) 3D Bala - Female Rigged Character 3D model ma, ma, obj, and fbx TurboSquid : , , 3D . The problem is that the site is not able to get a clear separation between CG and 3D printing. Hey there, I have been the victim repeatedly on TS. When I started on cgtrader I had more sales than on TS. What? CGtrader is more in line with modern economics and following the model of open participation businesses, all these things make it have the hallmarks of successfully serving a growing team with highly ambitious members and top talented achievers (and also stronger support of the CG community itself). (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. That's just an easy question to answer 1. I'm not sure about your analysis. Using TurboSquid 3D Models in Virtual Worlds. It's an example of waste of human recourses and time, because how many more are performing this same conversion work without telling? Cgtrader user interface is much more user friendly. They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. To bad this place is ridiculously expensive, you only get 33% of your sales. http://rebloggy.com/post/art-copyright-turbosquid-infringement-kouotsu-ip-theft-kouotsu/34732573054 Ps. CGtrader website is much bather coded and it just need some time to get on top. Hello, Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. I tested it with golden palace, clothing and various hair, other textures, they all worked fine August 22, 2022 at 6:03 am #1859211 Sabrina Participant Rank: @Goblyn Glad you enjoy it! Female 3D models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. (this would be the core of the human sorting out system). 60% cut could be ok if that cost could be added to the product but price guarantee makes that impossible. And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader [/quote] Although I agree the presentation of CGtraders home page is heavily focused at 3D printing, NoneCG did not suffer ANY drop in sales. Important only is that there buy many people. So here on CGt I could have just asked the buyer if he would be interested in that sort of deal. How about the Royalty Rate??? Yes, @limonadinis, I agree with you. Beautifully put IterateCGI, let's hope it is signal for more than just Tubro's downfall, but hopefully the downfall of treating 3D creators like shit. Maybe they have a much deeper interaction with the clients? In fact, 61% comes out against 40%, since the paypal commission on cgtrader is borne by the seller, the site pays commission on turbosquid. There are currently no models in your cart. Market your products turbo squid does that for you i understand but if your trying to sell you have to show the customers where its at. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. Yeah nasty stuff, but hey, I better shut up because I'm one of the hypocrites that keeps supporting that place by having my work on it.