This was the third phase of the "Cherokee removal" to lands in the West. He was known as Standing Turkey Cornstalk the son of Big Turkey Cornstalk the grandson of Hokolesqua Opechan Cornstalk. Moytoy is considered to be full-blood by members of the Nation because his white father married Pride, a Shawnee. He was a British interpreter for the Cherokees at Fort Loudoun (S.C.) in 1758 and at Augusta in 1763, and continued to fill that position at the 1770 treaty . How can all these cousin be wrong. Was Tomas erssay called another invlish name. He was succeeded by Doublehead. Also, if someone can provide the same type of solid sources on her husband, John Hester's mother, proving that his mother, Sarah Thomas Cherokee (b. Bob Benge and his brother The Tail are described as the nephews of John Watts and great-nephews of Old Tassel, leading to the conclusion that their mother was the sister of John Watts. I have that she was of the Deer Clan and that she married John Phillip Lightfoot {1725-1780}. Aug 8. It is not the amount of Cherokee you have, it is strictly about the Dawes Roll. Elizabeth Watts, also known as "Wurte" Watts, was the supposed mixed-blood daughter of John Watts, a British government interpreter [known as "Old Forked Tongue Watts"], who died in 1770.Her mother was a sister of "Old Tassel", "Doublehead" and "Pumpkin Boy". There is a lot of back and forth on here. Please only text me with a TRACEABLE phone number, and only if you have VERIFIABLE SOURCE information. Again here's my number let's link up. Malachi is the son of Robert Parris and Penny Langley. I have seen full-bloods who have virtually no idea of the great legacy entrusted to their care. My 3rd great grand parents were Caroline Carroll & Powhatan T. Gewin. I can be reached at bradyfigueroa@hotmail.com. I have no date for her death. Sharon Starr would you please send me what you got so I can put it in my records, pleaseAt my email, starrbwllababby@yahoo.com. What did Joseph Vann inherit? I am working on it! Watts became particularly active in the fighting after frontiersmen murdered his uncle, Old Tassel Carpenter 1708-1788, in 1788, while he traveled with Cherokee delegates to a peace conference. Can you please share with me the sources you are using to back the data on your Moytoy I? (, https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0017.html#IND5015REF31, the marriage of Wurteh to Bloody Fellow is speculative but plausible.. LDS microfiche #6016960-Volume 95. I would love to maybe form a group of us and somehow formulate a more accurate tree with these common ancestors. I have relatives on the Dawes rolls. Remember to check the name spelling and include any additional information you have. WELL we all Know what that started. US government required a person to "validate" their "native claim", first, as a way of counting the population which they were removing from native soils, and, then, to "prove" their right to receive federal dollars for support. But Cornblossom is one of those internet myths. With no cross checking or error corrections etc. She was the sister of John Watts, Cherokee Chief, also known as "Young Tassel". Benge Fielder. I'm looking for lists of those who made the March to Oklahoma. KARYNBISHOF10@GMAIL.COMh, Rosemary G would you email me a copy of you ancestry.com your proof of Moytoy existing, please and do you know of any marriage or birth certificates of any Moytoy existing? I seem to have inherited slightly more Native American than he has. More About WURTEH WATTS: Blood: Half Blood Cherokee. More research, more questionsbut loving every minute of it! I AM TOO. Watts, along with Bloody Fellow, Doublehead, and "Young Dragging Canoe" (Tsula), continued to encourage Indian unity in resistance to European-American settlers. Yes I have Cherokee Blood and I am proud of my family for all the trials and things they put up with. A deposition from Trader Robert Due/Dews from 1777 stated that Old Tassel was the uncle of John Watts Young Tassel. ( Colonial and State Records of North Carolina, Volume 22, Pages 995-1005, Deposition of Robert Dews concerning relations with Native Americans, January 22, 1777. He seems to base his claim on the fact that Bob Benge, Sequoyah, and Talonteskee, known to be related, all lived in the same town at one point. I am surprised that so many people are so negative. I neither have to prove myself to you nor defend my ancestors' actions nearly 230 years ago. I am the 7th great grand-daughter of Prudence the daughter of Old Hop. Sally Watts Haithman Query: . Hi Relatives!!! My gggg grandfather is Old Hop-Standing Turkey- Kanagatuckco. My father was Kenneth Ward (son of Edward Ward and nephew of Martin Ward; he was born in Nashville, TN). What a cowardly pathetic and ignorant joke you are, Anonymous. Fred Fuchs: I am wondering if Ernest Essary might be my great uncle. I am hoping to find any records of John Ward (my great grandfather) and his wife Emma. Nenetoonyah/Bloody Fellow; [[Moytoy-123]] This comes straight from a theory of James Hicks with zero documentation. Perhaps this can help you find what you are looking for. God Bless You . Heather, I will be glad to remove it, but I am not sure which one is yours. I believe that Mary's mixed blood mother was descended from Moytoy, if not, I have the Bernard and Charles Hughes lineage - Bernard, a white trader and Charles his mixed blood son. That is an almost impossible task. Browse or search the Cherokee genealogy queries posted to All Things Cherokee in May 2011. I have sent a message to the man that seems to have been the first to add this information to his tree as everyone after him, was traced back to him. Do you have some webpages to show what's right and wrong?Wado, Uhalvnii, I am horrified to see the lack of documentation on any of this!! Wurteh Elizabeth Watts passed away on 1814 in Cherokee, Alabama, USA. Hey Mae West,Yes Amatoya Moytoy was his grandfather. Mrs. Elizabeth Watts A Biographic Sketch Route #2, Box 168, Muskogee, Oklahoma By L. D. Wilson, Field Worker Indian-Pioneer History Source of Information received from a . . I have arched on ancestry.com that links it all. Yes, because of them I have had a better life. My info staes that Old Hop and Nancy Moytoy were siblings. Hire a real Cherokee genealogist and accept the DOCUMENTED TRUTH. She left Elijah, taking "little Nancy" with her, then became the 3rd wife of Tecumseh. I just do not know how to prove this. Catherine "Katie" Copeland, born abt 1811 was married to Shadrack Jackson, my grandfather many times distant. It sad because all the info is there. I have a public tree on Ancestry.com which you can go to with this link http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/9762032/family?cfpid=-747754218&selnode=1. White Wing's son Richard Adkins is my 5th gr-grandfather. But you wouldn't know nothing about that, would you. this probably makes us distant cousins ronda essary. . 1815. I know that I am named after my great grandmother whos maiden name was Quatsie Catherine Copeland..and her father or my great great grandfather, was James Riley Copeland and I know he was a great leader in Oklahoma and was sought after for legal advice. Every one of us searching needs encouraged, support, and guidance. finding family on the dawes rolls is hard, because a lot of names you may have pop up, but cherokee nation only accepts names between their 7 year requirement and they had to be living in OK . You are so right Hannah. My blessings to each of my Moytoy blood ties!! your pride in it. Afterward, the group made a semi-permanent camp along Flint Creek (in the area of the future Unicoi County, Tennessee), harassing, raiding, and attacking white settlers in the surrounding countryside. As a descendent of Attacullaculla (a member of the family by marriage, adoption, and possibly blood), family tradition often solves a lot of these problems. 8/29/99. cobb loeschman elizabeth cook katrina daffron-baker kimberly j delhomme kristina finley descant lisa i pantego . Someone actually said Moytoy didn't exist?. None of them. Verified. Cornblossom's descendants, through Katie Troxell, led to my East Tennesseean ancestors--Blevins and Buttram. I couldn't help but notice that Amotoya's wife and me had the same name.. She is named in no records and is known only by extrapolation from references to her father, her brother, and her son. The emigrants who established our first colonies had a tough go. Clan: Ani'-W'di = Red Paint (Wurteh) Watts, was then living again in the Overhill area. I'm so late to the game here, but my maiden last name is Essary (I'm the grand daughter of Ernest Essary) and I too am descended from Amatoya, kanagatoga and Sugi. Noone knows if Pride was 'mixed blood' or not. I do know my clan is the Wolf clan. Does anyone know the name of trader Jim, big Jim,White green's mother shawano woman's father was? The research on this blog and on Ancestry.com is for me, my children, my grandchildren, future generations and anyone else who is interested. So, if anyone can shed any light on my dilemma I would be appreciative. She's also on the IT / Oklahoma Indian census. John Benge [[Benge-104]]: John Benge was a white trader who lived in the Cherokee Nation most of his adult life. It shows him as 26 years old and his family card shows what I would guess is his wife and 3 children (a set of twins and another child). Tharp Son marries an Allen. Elizabeth Watts's income source is mostly from being a successful . The individual regional councils for each of the major Cherokee geographic divisions still dominated decisions in their relative areas. I'm a citizen of the Cherokee Nation and descend from two Vann lines. Moytoy II Emperor of the Cherokees.I'm extremely interested in finding others who are descendants to Moytoy IIemail wsxr1 at yahoo dot com. Ancestry dot com and other such sites just regurgitate old myths and family stories that are, more often than not, way off-base or flat-out untrue. I always knew I had Indian but did not know anything about my Heritage until now. Their brother John Watts Bowles 1756-1839 was Chief of the Arkansas Cherokee, leading a contingency of Chickamauga west of the Mississippi into Spanish Territory present day St. Francis River, Parkin, Arkansas in 1794. James (Chief) Vann is my 3x-gfa, his father Joseph was not a Sephardic Jew who lived our his life in exile in the colonies. Early in my research on ancestry.com I came across "Captured Cherokee Woman" and I could tell you her name if I was where I could get to my Ancestry.com app but, can't right now. Her mother and John Vann are my 5x-grands. Can be reach at james.swords@cox.netYour most Humble & Obt. It is very difficult, almost impossible right now (and in my opinion not worth it) trying to become a member of the Eastern Cherokees because of the money involved with the Casinos. I"m a Cherokee citizen thru Caleb Starr Thompson on the Dawes Roll.My question is the info on this website about the relatives past Nancy Ward clear back to the "Moytoy of Tellico". Moore, John Trotwood and Austin P. Foster. Would love to have their roll numbers since I have been unable to find them in several years of research. I matched someone who has the Essary Surname. Does that ring a bell? View Elizabeth Watts results in Mississippi (MS) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. We are, at the least, distantly related. I would be so delighted for help. He planned to lead a campaign into the Cumberland region of Appalachia. The family trees are just posted by folks like you & me. Her first marriage was to a Mr. WHITEWATER, now deceased, and in 1894, she was married to Mr. WATTS. Only original work can be copyrighted. That would be part English. Love this, thank you for writing it. The same Joseph Vann who was sent in for the Transylvania Land Company by the Virginia banking firm of Isaiah Isaacs and Jacob Cohen to help illegally purchase Kentucky. family that started the story of Cornblossom & Yalloh Falls was a made up story. He died in 1867 and was buried at White Oak, Arkansas. 5107126039. You can find out more on RootsWeb, (Miller/Rider/Dees)Note* Granuaille means Grasshopper. -KARYN BISHOFALSO DO ANY OF THESE NAMES LINE UP WITH YOURS?WHICH NAME DID YOU OBTAIN ENROLLMENT FROMchief murmuring ripplechief morning rippleshawandochief dancing streamchief running stream/ powhatan (the chief powhatan)scent flowermorning scent flower- paupauwiskenonomatatiske winuskewahunsonocockvirginia metis powhatanthomas munsawghewinanuske nonomaopechancanoughnamontackpride chalakahatha cornstalktaminad munsawghelocha quatsy nancy of tellicothomas pasmere corn planter carpenteramatoya moytoy (amadoya) (ama edohi) trader tom carpenterkana-gatoga moytoy- old hop/ stalking turkeysu-gi sookie moytoyanigatagewi moytoyamadoyamadoni moytoy********su-gi sallie/sally grannie/granny grasshopperMARY MCDANIELWILLIAM MCDANIEL********anuwagi peggy moytoycornelius doughertyjames doughertyelizabeth doughertynathan lawsonsampson david lawsongeorge w lawsonmary mahala j lawsoneverette s baldwin (my grandfather)beverly baldwin-bishof (my mom)karyn bishof (me). I know it run through my moms side but having trouble finding the information I need. She graduated in 2005 with distinction . I can't speak for others but I don't recognize federal recognition. I just found out that I am part of this family! I am very glad to have found this site. I am descended from Ann Dabbs (maiden name: Watts and born 1773) who was the daughter of Malachi (Unacata or "White Man Killer" Watts (born around 1751-1754). I have seen you on my tree links for years. Gentleman Tom was a good friend to James Vann. Watts, Elizabeth. William F. Dorton [[Dorton-166]]: No source is listed for this claim. Kathie gets out her big broom to clean up the mess! The wife became sick and died along the Trail. V. Adams->Wiley Vaughn Adams & Eugenia Olive Adams->Polly Vann (born Terrapin), John Cherokee Oowanee Vann, John Interpreter Vann, John Trader Vann. According to your site: "Later he was adopted by a man called Trader Tom Watts.,who was the friend and business partner of Thomas Pasmere Carpenter"How could Tom Watts have been a business partner of Thomas Carpenter? I look forward to your textthank you so much and good luck to you all who are on a quest for documenting facts. I've been researching the Moytoy line for some time. Redbird Sixkiller. So I guess we are running into some "cousins" here. Read the Freedmen's cards for the names of slaves and descendants, as those cards give the names of their former owners.The Cherokee weren't the only tribe that held slaves. My line goes 'Phillips, Raper, McDaniel, Old Hop, Moytoy. here are my direct lineal ancestors which have proved no avail. I would love some help from any one . There they rebuilt a replica of his Georgia Mansion for him.It's often said that Cherokee owned slaves but the truth is it was really only the Vann, Ross, Watts, Ridge, and a couple other families who owned all of the slaves. She died in 1814, in Cherokee, Choctaw, Alabama, United States, at the age of 63. In my line Tharp marries a female Vance. My Grandmother's is named Ethel May (Carpenter ) Fisher . Find Elizabeth Watts's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. At about this time, Watts moved his base of operations to Willstown (Cherokee town), in what is now Alabama. And all the deuce dents on both Sides the McGees and Vann was denided clames. My father's family can be tranced back to Maryland and in documents it said that one of the sons had married an Indian woman and I didn't think anything about it at the time until I saw the leaf on Prudence which opened up all the records showing she was a full Cherokee Indian and her father and so on. Can I assume that 'Trade Carpenter' is Amatoya Moytoy? Oh Gee Mike .. brother of Talonteskee, born about 1770. Email me if you would like to share info. Called Wahli by many confused researchers, Mother Vann was Joseph Vann's wife, but was born a Vann herself. He lived 1848 until 1917. These were my 5th great grandparents. My tree also indicates that I'm descended from Powhatan & Moytoyhowever, I'm NOT interested in chasing that proof. It runs on my dads side running through the Morgans. My Heart Breaks When I see Anything about the Trail of tears. Is that a separate enrollment? I am on Ancestry.com. I am going to make a trip to oklahoma, not to far , we now live in Arkansas. Cat Vann - My Great Grandmother married a Vann and my ancestors are John Vann and Agnes Weatherford. It looks like a schizophrenic mess. This is my Email address blustar957@yahoo.com . Shawnee and Cherokee, they remembered their blood ties to Thomas Carpenter and by associative lineage based on their own societal order, to the British and, by extension, to the new Americans. Youll get hints when we find information about your relatives. I just found my family i from WaLi Vann John trader Vann 1700's. Thanks! James Vann somehow managed to acquire numerous ferries and steamboats, vast acreage of lands, and over 100 slaves. 1847, in DeSota County, Mississippi. For some, their families were ashamed of their indian heritage and made a point to hide it. please advise if anyone has answered this. I am doing my best to make sure my tree is correct, but I would never make any promises.My mother's tree name is Thelma Roxanna James at the above link. Mahaley Parris #1225 on the Dawes Rolls. You will be hearing from my Attorney forthwith.Furthermore, Thomas Carpenter did not descend from the Ancient European families Cited on Your BOGUS Website, which his family of Plymouth Devonshire Family did not orginate Europe.The following Quote Was STOLEN From http://dauglaku.com by wannabe Shawnee Liar Don Greene author of Shanee Heritage et al in 2003 which, was and still is a Formal Copyright Registered Trademark Website in Early 2003.The Carpenter family of Devonshire & Plymouth England were small sailing ship owners, many of which were leased out to the East India Trading Company, an affiliation dating to the formation of that company December 31, 1600. people.com. As mentioned earlier the Dawes Rolls are available on the internet. >k.c. It seems on this website, White Owl Raven (Nanyehi's father) may have a cloudy recorded history.

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