Cessna 210-5 (205), N8149Z: Fatal accident occurred December 04, 2022 near Cleburne Regional Airport (KCPT), Johnson County, Texas . The building/towers are a red herring, imho.Loved ones can't blame the person they just lost. I'm guessing she was tired and flying in bad conditions, with a wall of steam from those chimneys and a roof cleared of snow by heat, and she mistook the roof for the extended threshold. With luck there will be a SD card data record to help in understanding. A couple sleeping in the house narrowly . (Which is common in CFIT accidents non precision approaches). The previous day's BYI flight diverted to Twin Falls.2. E.g. He owns the minds of those fans and is working toward harvesting their donations in the times ahead. So short that they don't meet FAA safety standards. I grew up near a small airport most people just complained about the noise, and crashes until it was shut down tract homes were built there. Why was the pilot of the Caravan 75-80' agl, only 2500' from the threshold? Four years ago, Burley airport lost their Federal Aviation Administration funding because it did not meet their safety standards due to short runways. "If you are focused on approaching a short runway, there is no VSGI to guide you on the required steep non-standard descent angle, it can be easy to miss the grey colored obstacles that don't stand out. At that point, the pilot would be using external visual references or at least trying to. But to go below the MDA prior to 1.1 miles from the runway kinda busts the approach. The collision smokestack is 2,639' from the threshold (measured on Google Earth). but the sight picture she had of the runway end brought her into the steam cloud. No civilians were reported injured on the beach, officials added. The point is there are numerous comments disparaging this accident pilot for busting mins despite not fully understanding the situation, and its unwise, unhelpful, and hurtful to many to spread uninformed none sense. Delete. Visitation will begin at 10:30 the morning of the funeral. The left wing, from the strut outboard, separated from the airplane and came to rest about 500 feet northeast of the main wreckage. I listed them as assumptions because I considered the info unverified until we get confirmation of a measured stack height.If the FAA obstruction listing is correct, that means ground level at the potato plant is only 4 feet higher than TDZE (4256 - 100 - 4152 = 4 feet). Survivors. The fully revealed circumstances are a huge cautionary tale. "It would be more enlightening if you pointed out that due to TERPS, the only approach that could be approved was a non-precision LNAV with no vertical guidance and a steep 3.75 descent angle due to the silos and other obstructions."False. When you look at Google maps, it's hard to reject the possibility, given poor visibility, that she mistook the roof for the threshold and dove for it. "4,000 feet is short for a Caravan? Newer pilot here so my apologies for any ignorance. An Airmens Meteorological Information (AIRMET) advisory was active for icing and mountain obscurations for areas that included BYI. If visibility was 1 SM, and the ASOS is 600' west of the threshold, then the pilot broke out only 2100' (lateral distance) before the tower. So, again, false. 80 y/o Airport in wrong place, or decades old Tater Plant position? Date: Saturday 29 May 2021: Time: 0.26639294624329: Type: Cessna 501 Citation I/SP: The dent in the stack is at the middle of the second from top section of flanged stack piping, a distance of approximately 14 feet below the top of the stack.A C208 gear leg is not 14 feet below the wing, making it non-credible to suggest that the wing cleared the top but the gear leg struck the stack fourteen feet lower down.As for the dive down mistakenly theory - what did she see that looked like the Snake river in front of the threshold? I believe the approach was unstable, in and out of IMC from JAMID. is quite a claim. Skipping to the end and resuming reading at the next to the last paragraph is recommended if you don't want to read all of the details.) Runway 20 has one. That building and stack was constructed relatively recently. This is from the elevation data in Google Earth, and visually looking from the runway appears to be in the ballpark, as the northeast bank of the river is higher than the runway. 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All: "Diverting today is less justifiable, weather is not at minimums"6. I have never heard of a Caravan having enough turbulence to unport the fuel and cause a flameout.Thoughts? Three hours later, Atlanta Center instructed the pilot to maintain 7,300 feet and cleared him to . Oh, right--where IS the VDP on this approach? Usually when someone does that in a 'Van it's with 20 or full flaps, in the hope of 'parachuting' the plane down to the runway, then adding a touch of throttle just before touchdown.4k hrs. With Texas Skyway 280HP conversion. In general, FlightAware is not intended to be an accurate indication of aircraft altitudes and positions for forensic purposes, so armchair investigators would do well not to draw detailed conclusions from FA data. A wing collided with a tractor trailer, causing the aircraft to overturn into a tree line next to the road. They still had their own aircraft at SMO through 2017. "Nothing new under the sun." She descended out of the clouds and was quickly enveloped in the steam cloud (as witnessed by people on the ground and by surveillance video). Steam enters such drums at 140-180C (284-356F) and 10-12 bar. A man lost his life and RIP to his loved ones and friends. Even if the tower and building wasn't there and the Bonneville salt flats was in front of the plane she would be touching down in the next 6 seconds. You can use the controls at the top to stop at 14:31:00 and have a look:http://weather.rap.ucar.edu/radar/displayRad.php?icao=KSFX&prod=CREF&bkgr=color&endDate=20220413&endTime=15&duration=1(Link will show that look-back until seven days from 4/13, so copy images before they are no longer accessible if of interest.). Nevertheless, RIP to Brittney and condolences to her family and friends. Give it up, she didn't bust minimums she got sucked right into that smokestack by the steam cloud she couldn't get out of in time.This is 100% on the potato plant. BTW BOTH pilots on the above A300 reported the runway in sight - when it was hidden by a hill. will certainly be the tuber rallying cry long before witness location is publicized, plume data presented or VDP and MDA considerations are resolved, but that's just how everyone rolls in pursuit of views and outrage these days. To wit, check out this video at the 16:46 mark:https://youtu.be/aRN3RJaW618, Here's an even better view of what those steam stacks do on a morning with very similar weather conditions to the crash. You have nailed it. Your top of stack AGL estimate is off somehow - the building roof would have to be 90 feet high. Cmores comment= enough said- til more is known. The lateral accuracy code "4" makes the horizontal tolerance of the location +/- 250 feet. The crash is under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration. If the stacks are putting out a bunch of smoke and steam, I can see how you could easily hit them despite them having red anti-collision lighting (according to the obstacle database at least.). Please stop commenting on things you don't even comprehend or until you bother to understand the known facts. I want to add some info here, for what it's worth. All 5 of his points are irrefuteable. Looking at the #1,2 & 3 truck bays on the tater building, the roof height looks to be about 26 feet.This was the image used showing the truck bays:https://goo.gl/maps/xinz7GVPnjkDvJUp6The height AGL to top of stack (if the stack has not been changed from what is seen in the street view image) would be about 70 + 26, making it roughly 100 feet instead of 150. Despite the terrible ADM, it was a common act of poor airmanship (yoke yanking, early rotation) that induced the incident as noted in the very detailed case study. 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